Indholdsfortegnelse for October 2023 i Rugby World

Lighting fires Springbok Manie Libbok wows the crowd. With Handré Pollard out, the Stormer will be the Boks’ starting No 10 at the World Cup. “Finding the right World Cup squad mix is alchemy” SOME RUGBY World Cup squad breakdowns feel like they magicked into existence. England’s ‘Dad’s Army’? They felt like they had always just, you know, been there. Of course, a lot of development and competition over a number of years led to that group being assembled, but they were team fixtures by the time the action kicked off down under in 2003. Twenty years on, constructing a playing group for France 2023 feels like alchemy. At this year’s tournament the squad size is 33 players, which is an increase from 31 in 2019. Plus, there will be…

THE RECENT South Africa v Argentina match in Johannesburg was less than ten seconds old when an attempted charge-down by Pumas full-back Juan Cruz Mallía left Springboks scrum-half Grant Williams unconscious on the turf. Fielding the kick-off on his own 5m line, Williams kicked for touch as Mallía jumped to block it. Instead of reaching high with his arms, he turned his back and his hips smacked square into the face of the South African, knocking him out. Referee Andrew Brace, who was well positioned, consulted his colleagues and decided it was a ‘rugby incident’ as Mallía was “committed” and that no action should be taken against Mallía. However, the Puma was later cited and received a two-week ban for a collision that was deemed reckless. Sending a player from…

LUTHER BURRELL “AN INSIDE-CENTRE (No 12) needs to be the eyes and ears of the fly-half (ten), getting information from his outside and telling the ten where the space is. “The ten is going to be under a lot of pressure and if he has a 12 having that dialogue, ‘Let’s run this play’, little details can really spark a back-line. “Owen Farrell is able to do that. We know that. He has more than 100 caps, has captained England many times and has played the majority of those Test matches at 12. I played with him at England level and have seen what he is capable of. He reads the game very well and offers something different there. “But I think there’s room for both options. I want to…

“I RETIRED when I wanted to in 2019 when Saracens won the double. Apart from the World Cup, I had won pretty much everything you can. You get to the age when your contracts are getting shorter and I thought the time was right. “I started a property business, based in Cheshire, about eight years ago when I was still playing. I had seen enough journeymen in the game and didn’t want to become one. You want to start in the first team every week. “I went through the university route with rugby, from Sheffield Hallam University, so I hadn’t been in the England age-group system, and I had my eye on life outside of rugby. I had always been into property. There is a shortage of family homes and…

ODDS 11-4 ↘ DID YOU KNOW? Of the five countries to have reached a World Cup final, France are the only one not to have won the tournament. New Zealand, Australia, South Africa and England have all topped the tree at some point. France, however, have lost finals in 1987, 1999 and 2011. But they’ve made the final every 12 years… ↘ WORLD CUP HIGH The 1999 semi-final fightback against the All Blacks will likely only ever be topped by winning a World Cup. At 24-10 the game looked over but, in an irresistible surge, France scored 33 unanswered points to win 43-31 and have fans dancing in the Twickenham aisles. ↘ WORLD CUP LOW The 19-10 quarter-final loss to England in Paris in 1991 was more brawl than rugby match.…

ODDS 11-4 ↘ DID YOU KNOW? New Zealand’s opening game of France 2023 could see them record their 50th World Cup victory. They are the only nation to have won every pool match (31 of them), though officially they also ‘drew’ 0-0 with Italy in 2019 after the game was cancelled because of Typhoon Hagibis. ↘ WORLD CUP HIGH 1987 was too easy and 2011 was more relief than pleasure, so 2015 is the most satisfying of their three triumphs. And top of the bill is the 62-13 savagery inflicted on France in the quarter-final, exorcising the demons of 2007 (see below). ↘ WORLD CUP LOW Only once have the All Blacks not made the final weekend. In 2007 they bowed out 20-18 in the quarter-finals to a France side that…

ODDS 5,000-1 ↘ DID YOU KNOW? Romania had a powerful side in the amateur era and in 1981 they lost only 14-6 to the All Blacks in Bucharest. The Oaks have played at every World Cup bar one and booked their spot at France 2023 after Spain were disqualified for fielding an ineligible player. ↘ WORLD CUP HIGH Romania came close to a quarter-final spot in 1991, losing narrowly to Canada, but in 2015 they got revenge against the Canucks when scoring 17 unanswered points in the last 28 minutes to win 17-15 – the biggest comeback in World Cup history. No 8 Mihai Macovei bagged two tries and Florin Vlaicu’s late penalty won it. “I don’t think it was ever in doubt, was it?” said Romania coach Lynn Howells. ↘…

ODDS 500-1 ↘ DID YOU KNOW? Centre Epi Taione caused controversy the last time the World Cup was staged in France in 2007. He changed his name by deed poll to ‘Paddy Power’ and dyed his hair green after striking a sponsorship deal with the Irish bookies. ↘ WORLD CUP HIGH The 19-14 win over eventual finalists France at the 2011 World Cup in New Zealand. Nearly 6,000 expats packed the stands in red shirts in Wellington and cheered on one of the tournament’s biggest upsets as Tonga’s campaign ended with a flourish. ↘ WORLD CUP LOW It’s every side’s worst nightmare to ship 100 points with the eyes of the world on them and Tonga did just that when they conceded three figures against England in a 101-10 defeat at RWC 1999.…

ODDS 1,000-1 ↘ DID YOU KNOW? Georgia have won 15 European Nations Cups/Rugby Europe Championships since the start of this century, asserting themselves as the top dog in the continent behind the Six Nations teams. Their greatest day was beating Wales 13-12 in Cardiff last autumn, courtesy of Luka Matkava’s 78th-minute penalty. ↘ WORLD CUP HIGH A famous win over Tonga at RWC 2015 sparked euphoric scenes at Kingsholm. Georgia went on to beat Namibia and even gave the All Blacks a run for their money at that tournament. They finished third in the pool to qualify directly for the next World Cup for the first time. ↘ WORLD CUP LOW That success made their efforts at RWC 2019 harder to stomach. Their 40-15 loss to Fiji – their biggest losing margin against…

ODDS 28-1 ↘ DID YOU KNOW? Argentina were forced into a U-turn by Covid-19. When the new pro franchise Jaguares joined Super Rugby in 2016, all the Pumas players were based at home playing the southern hemisphere season. But after 2020 there was no one for Jaguares to play. The players that will be in France are, again, based overseas. ↘ WORLD CUP HIGH The return to France will revive glorious memories of 2007, when they stunned the hosts twice on their way to bronze. Led by Agustín Pichot in his final Test, the Pumas crushed les Bleus 34-10 in the third-place play-off. “I can’t think of a better way to end than this,” said Pichot. ↘ WORLD CUP LOW After a semi-final place at England 2015, failure to get out…

ODDS 500-1 ↘ DID YOU KNOW? Japan’s nickname ‘Brave Blossoms’ was coined by long-time Rugby World contributor Rich Freeman, while he was reporting on the team from 2003. ↘ WORLD CUP HIGH Can we have two here? Because the moment Karne Hesketh scored to secure victory over the Springboks in Brighton in 2015 was the stuff of legend. But we also had the historic moment in 2019 when the final pool match against Scotland went ahead, despite fears Typhoon Hagibis would scupper the fixture. And they won – taking the hosts to the quarters for the first time ever and sending the Scots home tae think again. ↘ WORLD CUP LOW Japan have come a long way. In 1995, they conceded 145 points to the All Blacks. Things have gradually climbed since, even…

1 MOVIE PRE-WORLD CUP camps are gruelling. Famously so. But the very best in the sport embrace that. Running up the notorious Sigatoka sand dunes is almost seen as a spiritual event for any Fijian sides working on their conditioning. And one of the highlights of the build-up coverage of this World Cup was seeing the Fiji squad going up the dunes arm in arm, singing. As head coach Simon Raiwalui told RugbyPass: “Just watching it was very emotional from a personal point of view.” But buy-in comes in different forms. On the French pre-season, conditioning chief Thibault Giroud has spoken of how in the first exhausting month of their camps, they had 41 of their 42 players grafting. Even if they had to make adaptions to training loads or…

With the World Cup set to ignite in France, Rugby World has joined forces with Swiss watch brand TUDOR, the tournament’s official timekeeper, to bring you this Born to Dare special mini magazine. We bring you inspiring stories of four amazing athletes from each of the tournament’s four pools. As TUDOR says, those who are ‘Born to Dare’ are “people with ambition. People who are willing to pursue their passions, no matter where they take them. They share a thirst for discovery. A spirit of adventure.” We could not have described these four stars any better. And in fact, since the pioneering days of 1987 to today, this great tournament has given us myriad reasons to marvel. So look back through the event’s history on P24-26, or take in some…

THOSE FOREARMS and all his other ink. Ask Beka Gigashvili what it all means and he’ll tell you about family, team bonding, and the desire to keep moving forward and upwards. But etching such motivators onto his skin took some time. Actually, that’s not true. It was more that there was a bit of time between needle buzzes – he got his first tattoo in France in 2014, but it wasn’t until we were all twiddling our thumbs during the Covid pandemic that he went on and got the majority of the artwork we see. He was moved to. “I always wanted more tattoos but I never had anyone to draw it,” he says. “Then I decided to do it – I had a lot more time for this but…

MARCH 1985 A proposal is put to the International Rugby Football Board (IRFB) at a meeting in Paris. Driven by Australia’s Nicholas Shehadie and NZ’s Richard Littlejohn, it passes 10-6 MAY 1987 The first Rugby World Cup, comprising 16 teams and hosted by New Zealand and Australia, kicks off at Auckland’s Eden Park where the All Blacks beat Italy 70-6. The tournament lacks total backing, with Scotland and Ireland the main naysayers JUNE 1987 New Zealand become the first winners, David Kirk lifting the trophy (below) after a 29-9 win against France. All Black John Gallagher is back working as a policeman in the morning OCTOBER 1991 Western Samoa produce the biggest shock of the first two World Cups by beating Wales 16-13 in Cardiff. Their team includes Pat Lam and…

THE CAMPS are done. The conditioning is over. The game plan should be set. All that’s left now is for you to take a seat… The Rugby World Cup is the peak for a player – but it’s the same for us fans. Four years of work has led to this and we cannot waste the opportunity. Okay, so conditioning for us mere mortals may be strengthening your drink-lifting arm, drilling how best to balance your dinner on your knee, or timing your dart behind the couch when something goes awry. But it all counts. It’s game time. Let’s get into the spirit of things. And if you’re lucky enough to be out in France then what a time you’ll have. Soak it up. Wherever you watch the matches, consider…

WARREN GATLAND coached Ireland at RWC 1999 and his first game in charge came the previous year in Paris – a match in which France were massive favourites. He takes up the story… ‘I had to convince the players that if they believed deep down in their capabilities, they could win the game,’ writes Gatland. ‘To do this, I needed a narrative. The story I chose concerned four American soldiers in the heart of the Vietnam jungle. They were in a jeep on a narrow track and when they came under sniper fire, the captain told his men they had three choices. “We can try to make it back to the safety of the camp on foot,” he said. “Or attempt to drive through the gunfire. But the best option…

ODDS 500-1 ↘ DID YOU KNOW? Italy have played at every World Cup but have yet to reach the knockout stage. It hasn’t helped being drawn in the same pool as New Zealand on six occasions – and that has become seven as they face the All Blacks in Lyon next month. ↘ WORLD CUP HIGH By far their best effort against NZ was a 31-21 defeat in 1991, when Italy put the wind up the holders in the first Test played at Welford Road for 68 years. Massimo Bonomi and Marcello Cuttitta scored tries, Diego Dominguez kicked 13 points, and Italy walked off to a standing ovation from the 16,000 crowd. ↘ WORLD CUP LOW 2007 was Italy’s best chance of making the last eight, but in the crucial match…

ODDS 5,000-1 ↘ DID YOU KNOW? Uruguay were the opponents for Stuart Lancaster’s last game as England coach, a 60-3 defeat at RWC 2015. Los Teros, a nickname derived from their national bird, will be playing in their third World Cup in a row. They go to France having qualified as Americas 1 for the first time – they beat USA 50-34 on aggregate. ↘ WORLD CUP HIGH The tears flowed four years ago on an emotional day in Kamaishi, a city devastated by the 2011 tsunami. In a sensational upset, Uruguay beat Fiji 30-27 and won the heart of the world with their commitment and pride. It was their finest hour after previous wins over Spain (1999) and Georgia (2003). ↘ WORLD CUP LOW Playing Georgia four days after the…

ODDS 50-1 ↘ DID YOU KNOW? Scotland have lost exactly twice at every World Cup – apart from 1987 when they lost only once, to New Zealand in the quarter-finals. Only Jonny Wilkinson (277) has scored more RWC points than Gavin Hastings, whose haul of 227 includes 44 against Ivory Coast in 1995. ↘ WORLD CUP HIGH Vern Cotter’s team finished bottom of the 2015 Six Nations, but at the World Cup they sailed through the pool to face Australia. With Greig Laidlaw flawless off the tee, they were on the brink of the semis – only for a last-gasp penalty, wrongly awarded by Craig Joubert, to thwart them 35-34. A high and a low. ↘ WORLD CUP LOW It’s a toss-up. There’s the 1991 semi-final when Gavin Hastings missed a…

ODDS 14-1 ↘ DID YOU KNOW? In winning 35-12 against France in 1999, the Wallabies achieved the biggest margin of victory ever seen in a final. ↘ WORLD CUP HIGH Staying in 1999, how’s this for a reign of dominance. On the way to lifting the cup for the second time, Australia conceded only one try. That came against the USA in Limerick, from centre Juan Grobler. “Go nude!” was one of the Aussie cries, referring to how they would strive for a clean sheet from every match. ↘ WORLD CUP LOW Since the Wallabies beat England to the title in 1991, the Red Rose has had their number in knockouts. A Jonny Wilkinson drop-goal denied them the ultimate glory at home in 2003, but England also saw them off in quarters in…

ODDS 2,500-1 ↘ DID YOU KNOW? This will be Portugal’s second World Cup – and they have reached both by the slimmest of margins. In 2007 they pipped Morocco (26-20) and Uruguay (24-23) in a nail-biting repêchage. Then last year a 16-16 draw with USA in Dubai, achieved via Samuel Marques’s last-gasp kick, got them through to France 2023. ↘ WORLD CUP HIGH Portugal’s meeting with the All Blacks in Lyon (13-108) will never be forgotten. Especially the moment when front-row Rui Cordeiro breached New Zealand’s line in the 48th minute. “Forget the scoreboard, this was Portugal’s game,” wrote The Guardian. “Of course they were walloped but they persevered with spirit and skill to the end.” ↘ WORLD CUP LOW Os Lobos (the Wolves) came close to a maiden win in their first…

ODDS 2,500-1 ↘ DID YOU KNOW? Chile will become the 26th country to appear in a World Cup Finals – the last debutant was Russia in 2011. Inches from a win against Uruguay, los Cóndores beat Canada and the USA Eagles on their road to France 2023. ↘ WORLD CUP HIGH Nothing can touch that extraordinary day last year when Chile booked their place in France with a 31-29 win over USA in Colorado – 52-51 on aggregate. They looked doomed when trailing 19-0 but worked their way back with tries by Marcelo Torrealba, Matias Garafulic, Santiago Videla and Matias Dittus. Videla’s late penalty secured immortality. ↘ WORLD CUP LOW Seeing Uruguay qualify for World Cups whilst they stagnated hurt. Chile almost reached RWC 2003, beating Uruguay at home, but their fellow South…

ODDS 500-1 ↘ DID YOU KNOW? When Vavae Tuilagi played against South Africa in 2015, he became the fifth Tuilagi brother to appear at the World Cup. Freddie, Henry and Alesana have also represented Samoa while Manu plays for England. There could be a sixth in 2027 after Posolo Tuilagi, son of Henry, was part of the France team that won the Junior World Cup this year. ↘ WORLD CUP HIGH Beating Wales, the inaugural third-place finishers, on their World Cup debut in 1991 sent shockwaves across the sport. The 16-13 win in Cardiff came courtesy of tries by To’o Vaega and Sila Vaifale, plus eight points from Mathew Vaea. The Samoan government paid for all the players and their families to be flown to Samoa for a week-long celebration. ↘ WORLD CUP…

NEW ZEALAND are on an 11-match unbeaten streak and scoring some scintillating tries. It’s no coincidence it’s happening on the watch of ex-Ireland boss Joe Schmidt, now getting his teeth into his job as All Blacks attack coach. I remember Steve Hansen and Wayne Smith bringing their All Blacks to the Ospreys whilst on an autumn tour to train against the squad I was coaching. What struck us was just how disciplined and efficient they were with their basic skills. The speed and accuracy of their passing, their effectiveness at the breakdown and the coordination they exhibited in their phase play and support really stood out. It’s these areas that have been brought into question under head coach Ian Foster, but recent performances suggest they are well and truly back.…

CATCH, PASS, step, run, score. Everything on a rugby field appears effortless for Will Jordan. His rapid, gliding running style. His attacking potency that’s seen him claim 23 tries in the same number of Tests for the All Blacks. His anticipation and versatility. This past year, though, has been anything but straightforward for Jordan. Watch Jordan now and it’s easy to forget he endured a ten-month absence from the Test arena. He missed last year’s northern tour with the All Blacks, and the opening ten rounds of this year’s Super Rugby season, with a concerning migraine-related condition. Such a prolonged spell on the sidelines sparked fears that the 25-year-old’s career could be in jeopardy. During that time Jordan was forced to be patient. Every week Crusaders coach Scott Robertson deflected…

IT WAS fitting that hooker Agustín Creevy was the first Puma to reach 100 caps when facing the Springboks in Buenos Aires. The rousing ovation he received in his final home match was a deserved accolade for this magnificent servant to Argentine rugby. First capped in 2005, the fact it took Creevy 18 years to reach the milestone speaks of his resilience, hunger and deep love for the game, his team-mates, fans and family. When London Irish folded, he was snapped up by Sale Sharks, for whom he will play after his fourth World Cup in France. He’s still hungry for success. He wants to win the Webb Ellis Cup and the Premiership. “A hundred caps, yes. I was chasing that for some time and these last games have been…

31st Maggie Alphonsi, the World Cup winner turned TV pundit, charts her rise to become one of the best women’s players in the world in her autobiography Winning the Fight. By overcoming sexism and racism, Alphonsi beat the odds – this new book reveals how. 9th England fans can support their team from Twickenham Stadium, with screenings of Steve Borthwick’s side’s group games, starting with Argentina. For just £10 per adult with U16s going free, punters can engage in indoor games, enjoy live music and view the Webb Ellis Cup for the first hour of opening. To book, see twickenhamstadium.com/whats-on 1st The Rugby Heritage Cup, involving school sides from 20 countries across five continents, will be held in Pontlevoy, France from 1-7 September. It marks the 200-year anniversary of the…

1 LIAM McCONNELL Age 19 (24 June 2004) Born Edinburgh Position Back-row Club Edinburgh Country Scotland When did you first play rugby? When I was about seven or eight years old. I’ve got two older brothers who both started before me and my dad played for a Borders team called Selkirk, so he probably got us all into it. I started playing at Stewart’s Melville Lions. I went to James Gillespie’s High School and then started with Boroughmuir. What attracted you to the sport? I just enjoyed running around with the ball and being with team-mates. What positions have you played? I did a little bit of second-row and then moved into the back row. When did the rep rugby start? I did Edinburgh U16 and then Scotland U16 was…

ODDS 5,000-1 ↘ DID YOU KNOW? Namibia played their first Rugby World Cup match in France, a defeat to Fiji at the Stade de la Méditerranée in Béziers. This was at the 1999 tournament, when it was played across five countries. ↘ WORLD CUP HIGH Namibia have never won a World Cup match but they did register a point in a World Cup pool – in 2015 against Georgia. They lost three players to the sin-bin but were still within spitting distance of the win. Alas, they lost 16-15. ↘ WORLD CUP LOW No one has ever lost by a wider margin at a World Cup than Namibia. The 142-0 rout by hosts Australia in 2003 was a hammer blow. They missed 81 tackles at the Adelaide Oval that day –…

ODDS 5-1 ↘ DID YOU KNOW? The player with the most tries for Ireland in World Cups is Keith Earls, with eight. The Munster wing scored five in 2011 and three in 2015 – but finished empty-handed in 2019. ↘ WORLD CUP HIGH In 2011, Ireland bushwhacked the Wallabies at Eden Park, upsetting the then Tri-Nations champs with a 15-6 win. Johnny Sexton dropped a goal and two penalties, Ronan O’Gara also slotted two three-pointers. But it was the sight of Stephen Ferris manhandling Will Genia and Sean O’Brien tearing in that stood out. The scrum roared too. ↘ WORLD CUP LOW You wanna pick a quarter-final exit? Incredibly, they’ve never got beyond that point in a World Cup, losing in the quarters seven times. And none will sting so much…

ODDS 9-2 ↘ DID YOU KNOW? Just two of the 21 players to have won the World Cup twice are South African – Os du Randt (1995 and 2007) and Francois Steyn (2007 and 2019). Steyn was 20 when he helped the Boks beat England in the 2007 final, making him the youngest-ever World Cup winner. ↘ WORLD CUP HIGH The pick of their three triumphs was 1995 when they pipped a NZ side weakened by sickness 15-12 in the final, courtesy of Joel Stranksy’s boot. Nelson Mandela donning the Boks’ No 6 shirt to present the trophy to Francois Pienaar remains the competition’s most iconic image. ↘ WORLD CUP LOW “When Japan play South Africa they’re going to get a hiding,” David Campese told RW ahead of RWC 2015. He…

ODDS 200-1 ↘ DID YOU KNOW? Fiji are the reigning World Cup Sevens champions after triumphing in 2022. It was the third time Fiji had won the competition after 1997 and 2005. Fiji are also the two-time men’s Olympic gold medallists after victory at Rio 2016 and Tokyo 2020 ahead of Paris 2024. ↘ WORLD CUP HIGH It’s a trick they will be aiming to repeat this time around but Fiji’s sensational 38-34 win over Wales in Nantes in 2007 was a true World Cup upset. Prop Graham Dewes scored late on to send Fiji into the quarter-finals. ↘ WORLD CUP LOW You don’t have to look too far back for this one as Fiji’s 30-27 defeat to Uruguay in 2019 was not the side’s finest moment. Losing to a team ranked nine…

ODDS 40-1 ↘ DID YOU KNOW? Josh Adams was top try-scorer at the 2019 World Cup – the first Welshman to achieve that feat. His haul of seven included a hat-trick against Fiji in Oita. Shane Williams is Wales’ top try-scorer in World Cup history, with ten (2003-11). ↘ WORLD CUP HIGH Three-time semi-finalists they may be, but their finest hour was their pool win against England at Twickenham in 2015. Wales trailed by ten points and lost three backs – Scott Williams, Liam Williams and Hallam Amos – to injury, yet pulled off an epic 28-25 victory after Gareth Davies’s converted try and Dan Biggar’s penalty. ↘ WORLD CUP LOW Forget Samoa 1991 or Fiji 2007, Wales’ greatest disappointment was the missed opportunity of 2011 when the final was within…

ODDS 12-1 ↘ DID YOU KNOW? In 1999, 16 of the 20 teams had to qualify for the World Cup. On the way England beat Italy and the Netherlands, the latter crushed 110-0 at Huddersfield. ↘ WORLD CUP HIGH For England fans the highs get no higher than watching the ball soar into the Sydney night, as Jonny Wilkinson secured the World Cup title with a drop-goal in extra-time, in 2003. It was the pinnacle for a squad at its very peak; with Martin Johnson’s incredible forwards, the electric Jason Robinson, an iconic centre pairing, and Wilkinson. ↘ WORLD CUP LOW Unceremoniously dumped out of their own World Cup in the group stage in 2015 – the first tournament host to suffer such ignominy. The fallout was horrid. The losses to…

Add some Kiwi stardust to your play, says Sean Holley 1 Comfort throw Hookers like throwing over the top as they know their target won’t be challenged by a jumper. The secret is for the forwards to make it look like the ball will be won at the front or middle of the lineout. Jordie Barrett must resist the urge to encroach and take his timing off the thrower, trusting that the trajectory will coincide with his run. He has to remain 10m back from the line of touch but so do the opposition backs. The only threat is the defender off the tail of the lineout who has the shortest route to Barrett should he read the play. 2 Channel dash Channel work is the best way to hone…

FOUR YEARS is a long time in the rugby life cycle. But sometimes things repeat when it comes round again. For example, remember when Ireland were top of the rankings in 2019? Conor Murray does. “Just in terms of what we’ve been through in the last four years, it’s just a very different feeling,” Murray tells Rugby World. “Going into the last Rugby World Cup – now we don’t pay much attention to it – but we were ranked number one and people were talking about it. But, oof, were we truly? Did we really feel we belong there? “We had loads of success back then as well, which we were very fortunate to have. And we don’t genuinely talk about rankings or anything like that. We’re aware of where…